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Post by Epesi on Sept 16, 2007 0:48:04 GMT -5
And still you insist he is flaming. I stated before the definition of an internet flame, as written on the Merriam-Webster site: "an angry, hostile, or abusive electronic message". I argue that his post was not intended to anger. You have ignored this argument.
And again, I argue that his post was not off-topic. The fact that he compared the thing that was being discussed to something else does not make that comparion off-topic. If he merely listed the specs of Blu-Ray without any reference to how this applies to the XBOX LIVE movies, that would have been off-topic.
Responding now to your edit, which appeared as I was writing:
Apparently you're seeing something in that post which I am not. He is not "comparing the quality of the systems", as you say, but the quality of the downloadable move files versus the many-gigabytes-large Blu-Ray counterparts. The files you can buy on XBOX LIVE are not as good as what you would get if you bought the movie on Blu-Ray. That's all the meaning I see there. Please tell me what exactly you are seeing in his post that is offensive.
And again with the misunderstanding of "flaming". Continuance of this "off-topic" banter would not be flaming -- rambling on and on about something unrelated is not inherently "angry, hostile, or abusive". It would merely be off-topic. It would be breaking the off-topic rule, and nothing else.
And to my knowledge -- in this thread, at least -- he did only state it once. I have seen him talk about the power of systems in the past, and maybe I have missed some discussions to that effect -- point them out if I am -- but even if he has repeated himself unnecessarily, these are no grounds on which to fairly ban a user.
Let me clarify my last statement: I do realize that this is a private message board. There is no such thing as "freedom of speech" on private message boards. So yes, technically you are fully within your rights to ban Siman for absolutely any reason you see fit. It's just my opinion that you are not being fair.
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Post by Night Bear on Sept 16, 2007 0:51:47 GMT -5
They may not like it, but that doesn't make it wrong. Siman did not attack anyone. He has not broken a single board rule that I am aware of. He has merely annoyed people by stating an unpopular opinion. I really must question your judgment in threatening to ban him over this. You say you're trying to preserve a civil atmosphere; but frankly, I don't feel like I'm in a civil environment when people can be banned because they insulted a video game console. Night Bear, you say members wound up banned because things got out of control. What I am objecting to here is that Truttle immediately brought out the big guns in threatening to ban Siman for a very minor indiscretion. Again, he is not breaking any rules. I don't think I could look at Truttle's post and say that he was going to ban Siman for insulting a video game console. I look at it as him saying that Siman *may* get banned if he continues making posts that upset other members. I never once heard Truttle confirm he was going to, no doubt, ban Siman for such remarks. When a member makes a comment that upsets other members, it is the staff's duty to deal with the manner in the way they see fit, in my opinion. For if a member continues to do something that makes other members uncomfortable, shouldn't it be the staff's job to try and make the place better for everyone? Now I do agree that overpowering staff members can be a problem. But I do not see Truttle as overpowering. In my opinion, he is just being cautious, simply worried about what could happen if he doesn't say something. Now when I said I agreed with Truttle, banning Siman was not what I was referring to. I had agreed with Truttle that Siman's post was unnecessary and unrelated to the topic. As for Truttle "immediately bringing out the big guns", I have seen this happen before on boards I go to. Sometimes such action is necessary to protect the community. And I would like to point out that this is not the first time Siman has made technical comparisons between consoles, and this is not the first time his posts had upset members. So I can understand why Truttle wanted to react faster this time around.
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Post by siman on Sept 16, 2007 1:08:40 GMT -5
i wasn't comparing game consoles i was jest stating that the cd releases still holds a knife to downloaded content. Jest suggesting that if you want quality get the cds of the movies. if you look at it im on the subject we are talking about DLing movies. Im not here to get everyone mad, im starting to see a trend in administration
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Post by Night Bear on Sept 16, 2007 1:08:42 GMT -5
I have looked up the definition of flame as well, and the result I got was "Computer Slang. an angry, critical, or disparaging electronic message, as an e-mail or newsgroup post" While sounding angry does seem to be the typical idea for a flame, one does not have to sound angry to flame. I have learned the hard way that even what appears to be a civil remark can indeed be a flame.
I have spoken with Truttle while this debate has been going on, and he has not been ignoring your argument. He even consulted with me what a flame actually was, and I gave him the definition I have posted here.
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Post by Night Bear on Sept 16, 2007 1:24:47 GMT -5
i wasn't comparing game consoles i was jest stating that the cd releases still holds a knife to downloaded content. Jest suggesting that if you want quality get the cds of the movies. if you look at it im on the subject we are talking about DLing movies. Im not here to get everyone mad, im starting to see a trend in administration I had never said you were trying to make anyone angry. Nor did I say that I agreed to banning you. Being a staff member can be difficult. I was once a staff member on other boards (which I no longer go to myself). I also know that sometimes staff members can be torn between what to do. I've met some who are worried to even do anything because they fear they may go too far. As you say you didn't intend to anger anyone, Truttle did not intend to sound unfair either. And I probably should not say anything more. I do not wish to continue this discussion.
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Post by Epesi on Sept 16, 2007 1:25:04 GMT -5
That is not a flame; that is called a misunderstanding. A flame is all about intent. If you do not intend to hurt or offend someone, but they take offense anyway, this does not change the intent of your post. It is then an unfortunate misunderstanding.
Siman has clarified his intent now.
Edit: I see you responded to him as I was writing my post, so just editing to clarify that I did see it.
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Post by Night Bear on Sept 16, 2007 1:29:12 GMT -5
That is not a flame; that is called a misunderstanding. A flame is all about intent. If you do not intend to hurt or offend someone, but they take offense anyway, this does not change the intent of your post. It is then an unfortunate misunderstanding. Siman has clarified his intent now. Edit: I see you responded to him as I was writing my post, so just editing to clarify that I did see it. Although I said I wasn't going to say anything else, there is something I forgot to say. I did not say his post was a flame.
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Post by Epesi on Sept 16, 2007 1:33:07 GMT -5
Neither did I say that you did. I was responding to the part that said "even a civil remark can be a flame".
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Post by Night Bear on Sept 16, 2007 1:41:21 GMT -5
Sorry.
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Post by siman on Sept 16, 2007 3:06:19 GMT -5
no i was responding to turttel's comment. Now that we have this all worked out can we move on? (i don't like getting into heated disputes like this) also if im going to continue my dispute about consoles id keep it in the same thread. I normally don't carry over my feelings and try to keep and open mind when in new threads.
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Post by Ken'ichi on Sept 16, 2007 11:31:14 GMT -5
Downloaded content can still be pretty high quality, but it is true, the quality will never be the same grade as DVD/Blu-ray quality.
Siman just stated a fact and had no warrant to be banned, although it might grow to a problem if the fact is stated over and over again.
Nevertheless, Siman didn't have any fault with his post and it really had no harm to it.
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Post by Epesi on Sept 16, 2007 11:33:01 GMT -5
I don't mean to push this further than it needs to be, but there is one thing that gradually occurred to me that I feel I need to say.
The points Truttle and Night Bear made about Siman's post, I basically made myself once before when Nakia posted a fan-video to a Katherine McPhee song, and Night Bear posted in response saying that hated American Idol, which it seemed Nakia was a fan of. I am an AI fan myself, and I took offense to Night Bear's comment; I assumed Nakia would be hurt by it as well. So I posted in response, saying that I thought it was rude to post in another person's thread to say that you hate what they like.
Night Bear got upset and deleted her post, I felt terrible and deleted mine; I believe the situation was resolved with no hard feelings, but to be honest there is one thing that bothered me then, and bothers me now as I believe it is fully relevant to this discussion: I received a message from Ken'ichi around that time that stated I was overreacting to Night Bear's post; that she had only been stating her opinion, which she had every right to do, and I had hurt her feelings.
Is this not the same situation here? I feel you, Truttle, overreacted to Siman, who was only stating his opinion. In the past, I was lightly reprimanded for stating my own opinion of such actions; I was told, however, that what I received did not amount to an official warning. Yet here, you passed an official warning of the highest level of punishment at this board, for no worse an offense than that I accused Night Bear of once before. I feel this displays a double standard; it is unfair to treat one member differently than you would treat another.
Edit: Ken'ichi posted as I was still writing this, so I missed that development. I just want to make it clear that I'm not trying to make a fight of this; only stating my views on what I have seen here. I fear my last remarks may have come so late that I might be beating a dead horse here; I'm sorry if I've dragged this too far.
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Post by siman on Sept 16, 2007 12:29:59 GMT -5
ok ok ok can we please get back on subject we are all tech braking the rules with the last o 16 or so posts...
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