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Post by Epesi on Jul 4, 2005 20:47:25 GMT -5
Er, what do you mean? By the time the sequel comes out?
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Post by Krystedez "Spectrum" on Jul 5, 2005 13:56:41 GMT -5
The romance issues and other plot twists may have some problems with the public, as Nadine said. There's a probable chance of Kenai's 'friend' being a GF here, but not likely, in my oppinion. I hope Disney is smart enough to realize that. But you never know, they did romances before with dogs, I wonder if they'll do it with bears...
But then... what the heck is Koda gunna be up to? I mean, what's his role if the girl takes too much of the movie? What will be the point of the 'brother' part of the title?
Here's how I invision it: Kenai meets the girl. She somehow recognizes him in her spirit, plus she probably seen him at the end of the first movie. She talks to the bear, and he listens. Later, she is somehow turned into a bear, or givin the gift of gab (talk with animals). She sees through Kenai's world. But she sees how dangerous it can be. The movie should focus more and more on the wild, the dangerous wild. In my view, it should encompass a 'bambi' sort of feel, only a little stronger and intense as far as nature goes.
I see action, drama, secrets, and a huge threat to the forest. Koda's gunna have to be in trouble. Near death situation, but not graphic (blood, ect). Make it to where Koda's in danger, Kenai saves him, then Kenai's in danger, Koda saves him, all the while the girl is in the WAY.
At the end, Kenai says goodbye to the girl, she returns, and Kenai and Koda work to strive in the wild as usual.
Hunters. Traps. Wild Fire. Harsh weather...
That's what I see. Not some romance comedy. PLeeeeaaassee not that...
But hey.. You cant really complain too much. The sequel is supposed to be around Kenai and Koda now, not Rutt and Tuke. Either the series will continue from BB 2, or it will become completely irrelevent. (in other words, whatever happens in BB 2 will have no effect on the series, kind of like the pokemon series)
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Post by Epesi on Jul 5, 2005 15:55:13 GMT -5
Shouldn't this be in the thread about the sequel, not the TV series? c.c
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Post by Krystedez "Spectrum" on Jul 6, 2005 11:25:46 GMT -5
My post pertains both to the series and the sequel... Okay, maybe a bit more on the sequel, but I do mean both. The series shouldn't have any romance at all, in other words, while the sequel is possible to have it since it's comfirmed a girl will have a role in it and- wait, Im talking about the sequel again aren't I? woops...
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Post by TigerTails2(TT2) on Jul 6, 2005 13:52:50 GMT -5
The t.v idea sounds sweet!Hope they will do a good job on the T.V show as well as the movie.Cant wait! ;D
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Post by nadine on Jul 6, 2005 16:13:45 GMT -5
Hmmmm.... the TV series might having some romance in it?!?!?! I highly doubt it.
Oh hey Epesi, when I ask you if you think that the show is gonna be on Disney channel, then yes the TV Series is the one I'm talking about.
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Post by Epesi on Jul 6, 2005 16:17:55 GMT -5
Eh, good point. It is relevant. I think I agree with you on several points regarding the tone of the film, but I don't think it needs to be any more "intense" than Bambi; I think that film was already very intense in its portrayal of the wild. Unless, by "intense," you mean in terms of pacing, in which case I agree; Brother Bear 2 will have to be quicker on its toes. On the other hand, to stay true to the original, it will also have to be quite a bit lighter in tone than what you describe. Since this is a Disney film, and especially a sequel, it can't be this dark, gritty, tooth and nail survival story. The original had a balance; the sequel will almost certainly have a similar balance, though very likely it will shift in favor of a more lighthearted approach. The presence of Nita could turn things in either direction. The way I see it, the romantic tension should be there. As per tradition, here are two childhood friends, meeting again as young adults; of course there will be romantic tension. It's a matter of where you take it from there. First, as is often asked of new characters in sequels, where was Nita during the original film? Presumably she was still with the tribe during the time of Kenai's manhood ceremony. Again, following tradition, the childhood friends need to be separated somehow. I can't see Nita and her father leaving the tribe, so perhaps there was a falling-out between Nita and Kenai. As the friends grew older, their interests drifted apart. Nita was likely under pressure to marry, while Kenai grew increasingly tired of being merely a boy. He was eager for change, whereas she was trying to fight it. This conflict of interests could have come between their friendship. So, now what? We have the sequel. "The pair's past friendship collides with the present as Kenai and Nita embark on a journey as bear and woman." Okay, so how do they get to that point? Maybe Nita is a rebellious sort. (I know, I know.) She still has not married, and her father's pressuring has become more insistent than ever. To get away from it all, Nita decides to run away, under the guise of making a pilgrimage to the mountain where the lights touch the earth, in order to seek counsel from the spirits. With her family's blessing, she leaves. Somewhere along the way, she meets Kenai. As mentioned before, she would have to be able to communicate with Kenai, through the Spirits' intervention. Personally, I prefer the "gift of gab" option; turning her into a bear herself would be redundant, and it wouldn't make sense anyway. Obviously, you can't solve all problems by turning someone into a bear; whatever lesson Nita needs to learn, it doesn't have to involve seeing the world through, literally, the eyes of another. Anyway, from here we have the "past friendship collides with the present" part, as during the course of their adventures, the two deal with confused emotions, the conflict that ended their friendship, and the decisions that led Kenai where he is now. Their reunion would be bittersweet, and in the end Nita would return to the tribe. Perhaps the film's "message" could go back to one of the lesser themes in Brother Bear, that of coming to accept change. Well, those are some of my thoughts on it, anyway. I wish I knew how to be more concise. It doesn't help that I had to rewrite it all from scratch, and I sort of lost whatever direction I had after that. As for how this will impact the series? Well, Spec's probably right; it won't. Assuming Brother Bear 2 is made by the folks at DisneyToon, it probably won't have anything to do with the series. So what will the series be about? What should it be about? That's hard to say. In tone, I'd like to see something along the lines of The Legend of Tarzan, but what sort of adventures can they have to make a whole series about? Who knows, maybe they'll go with the Lilo & Stitch-style scavenger hunt concept, after all. Or maybe the series will be about Rutt and Tuke. Edit: I started writing that post after Spec's reply, so I didn't notice what you said until just now. I still don't know what you're trying to ask, but I wouldn't know the answer anyway.
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Post by Truttle on Jul 6, 2005 17:08:30 GMT -5
You guy's hold some very good points. It's most likely that the sequel will not be a love story. Since Kenai can't have a girlfriend if he's taking care of a little cub. The whole point of him remaining as a bear was to take care of Koda. Having a girlfriend would single him out or put him in the middle. And also having Nita turn into a bear would have no basis behind it and just make it redundant as Epesi said. As for the series, maybe we'll get something like Tarzan. I'm also reminded of the Disney cartoon series "Jungle cubs". Maybe it will be more small adventure/comedy type. But I'm not going to go much into what it might be.
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Post by nadine on Jul 6, 2005 19:52:26 GMT -5
Hmmmm..... you might have a point there Truttle. I don't think that Nita should be Kenai's girlfriend since he's too busy taking care of Koda that's for sure.
Hey I was wondering, do any of you guys think that Denahi should have a girlfriend? I mean, I won't care if he does or not, but that was just an idea I came up with.
Maybe Nita will end up being Denahi's girlfriend instead. If that ever happens.
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Post by Krystedez "Spectrum" on Jul 6, 2005 21:14:22 GMT -5
Epesi, as pertaining to your post, I'm glad you made some quite reasonable points. But I must say one thing: Koda hates you now. You didn't mention anything about him really. What's your thoughts on what happens to Koda? Do you think my provisions of Koda in some sort of danger would be reasonable? Or is he gunna be babysat the whole movie by Tug or something? That'd be aweful, no Koda. Anyways, I believe that this "Nita" will have some type of conflict between the relationship of theirs, and Kenai's relationship with Koda. Something has to happen to that little cub.
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Post by nadine on Jul 14, 2005 21:14:31 GMT -5
Oh I forgot to tell ya guys something. Ya know about the whole stupid plot I came up with for the TV Series? Well yeah, somehow I always picture that in my mind that my idea for the whole TV Series would take place right before the sequel begins. But still Nita shouldn't be Kenai's girlfriend cause nobody taking MY man away from me!!!! Oh my god, I just said that out loud didn't I? Darn!!!
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Post by Epesi on Jul 14, 2005 22:52:51 GMT -5
Oh my, I did forget about poor Koda, didn't I? I'm sure he'll forgive me. You're right, of course; he would be an important part of the conflict. As for the danger, maybe he runs away, feeling threatened by Nita's connection to Kenai. Anyway, I hope DisneyToon does this better than I have so far. I know they can make it work.
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Post by nadine on Aug 5, 2005 11:37:33 GMT -5
DisneyToon? Do you mean Toon Disney Epesi?
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Post by Epesi on Aug 5, 2005 13:31:59 GMT -5
No. I mean DisneyToon Studios. That's the studio located in Australia, where most Disney sequels are made. I believe DisneyToon is responsible for the Brother Bear sequel, but I might be mistaken.
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Post by nadine on Aug 6, 2005 17:29:40 GMT -5
Oh I didn't know there was one like that in Australia, maybe they ARE the ones working on the Brother Bear sequel right now, but then again, who knows?
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