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Post by Karion on May 17, 2007 9:27:37 GMT -5
I wrote, that in my opinion creating of new BB boards is useless. Because we have AAAB boards. No to write better in one place? I have found 2 other BB forums besides mine similar to this.
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Post by bedziu on May 17, 2007 9:42:52 GMT -5
Karion, I'm sorry that I offended you back there. As you know my english ain't that good, so I rely somewhat on dictionaries and translator software, which at times can cause problems such as these. You must understand, it was never my intention to bash down on your work, it's great that you're working on your own website, and I'm sorry that I expressed my opinion with a wrong choice of words.
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Post by bedziu on May 17, 2007 11:19:23 GMT -5
I understand, I'll remember. I have nothing else to say about that.
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Post by Karion on May 17, 2007 11:43:35 GMT -5
It's okay Bedizu, everyone is intitled to have their own opinion....
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Post by Eddi on May 18, 2007 5:29:50 GMT -5
if you say that Karions board is stupid you say he is stupid too because he made it.There is no difference
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Post by bedziu on May 18, 2007 8:22:56 GMT -5
Eddi don't understand me too... Author is being rating separately on Polish boards and separately his work! I have nothing for Karion. And I don't claim that Karion is stupid! Because I like him! There is nothing else to say about that.
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Post by Epesi on May 19, 2007 9:01:38 GMT -5
There is a difference between criticizing the board and attacking its maker, Eddi. Bedziu's original statement may have been harsh, but he was just being blunt; this is the language barrier at work. As he said, he didn't intend it as a personal attack on Karion.
For what it's worth, I'd like to say I think I understand the point Bedziu was trying to make, and to some degree I agree with it: the forum is redundant, as it seems to have roughly the same features as this one; really, what will people do there that they can't already do here? I don't think making your own forum is pointless, by far; I think it can be a valuable learning experience. But it is a valid point: if you want your board to have staying power, you'll probably need to bring something new to the table; something that sets it apart from AAAB. Otherwise, people will likely get bored and drift away.
I think Bedziu has been treated unfairly in this discussion; he merely stated his opinion, and inadvertently hurt Karion's feelings. It should have been between the two of them to work out their misunderstanding, without outside interference. And why was it necessary to delete Bedziu's original post? There was no inappropriate content; nothing obscene or illegal. He says something someone doesn't like, and so you delete it? Is that fair? And now, with the post gone, those who didn't see it in the first place have no point of reference in this debate; they can't decide for themselves whether Bedziu crossed any lines.
These sorts of incidents shouldn't be swept under the rug and forgotten. They should be remembered, so they can be properly understood and avoided in the future.
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Post by Karion on May 19, 2007 10:27:18 GMT -5
What is wrong with everyone!? All I wanted to do was say that I accomplished something, which never really happens for me. Then Bedizu said I was stupid or my forums were stupid or that something stupid had happened! I was just proud of myself, Bedizu. I wasn't trying to advertise. And I'm still working on it, so of course it's going to suck! It's a working progress. Now Bedizu has a 10 % ban and people are starting to dislike him. Why can't people just say something nice or nothing at all? Why can't it be that way? I just wanted to say I accomplished something! I never intended to put the link up, except on my signature and my web page section of my profile. Can't we just go bak to the way things were? Being brotherly?
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Post by Ken'ichi on May 19, 2007 13:32:09 GMT -5
This is getting just a bit out of hand.
There is nothing wrong with Bedziu stating his opinion, that I agree with. But the problem was the way he said, calling the idea and board stupid. I never said anything about Bedziu calling Karion stupid. I don't know from where that came from.
All right, maybe I overreacted a bit and I apologize, but the statement was a flame toward Karion's work, not exactly the most effective way to comment about another's work. It could've been more friendly.
As said in a previous post, this is something to be worked out between Bedziu and Karion, which is what PMs are for.
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Post by Truttle on May 19, 2007 13:39:11 GMT -5
Like Karion said, we should put this argument to an end. The point has already been stated. We don't need everyone else to keep repeating it. Which proves my point. As "Constructive" as you try to make your criticism appear to be. Too much of it starts to wear thin. So lets try to give a little bit of praise. It was a good effort on Karions part. Let's keep it at that.
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Post by Epesi on May 19, 2007 21:56:47 GMT -5
I would just like to dispute that Bedziu's post was a flame. A flame is written in anger or malice; it's intended to hurt. Bedziu did not appear to be angry at Karion, and as Truttle pointed out I don't need to repeat his statement on his intentions.
Yes, perhaps he could have worded things more gently; however, his choice of wording was limited by his knowledge of English and his use of a translator. Also, it might have been a cultural misunderstanding as well as a language error. To give an example from personal experience, I take classical guitar lessons with a Russian teacher. She speaks English very well, but she states things very bluntly; if I play something wrong, she will say "it was awful". If my first guitar teacher had said that, back in Texas, I probably would have felt very hurt; generally speaking, most people back home don't say that sort of thing unless they're being intentionally cruel. But my teacher isn't being cruel; she doesn't mean it as an insult. She's just telling me that I'm playing it the wrong way. She also tells me when I'm playing it right; she gives the good and the bad. That's constructive criticism.
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Post by Karion on May 19, 2007 22:47:04 GMT -5
I know! I said it was okay already! Bedizu already said sorry (or at least I think he did...) God! Why can't we be friends!?
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Post by Epesi on May 19, 2007 23:17:29 GMT -5
Whoa, now. Why are you lashing out at me? I have in no way attacked you. My last post wasn't even directed at you; perhaps I should have clarified this at the time, but I was speaking in response to Ken'ichi, as he was the one whose point I disagreed with.
Karion, if you just want us all to be friends, then shouting "I know! God!" is not helping matters. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way, as that was not my intention. But if I have, could you please tell me so calmly, instead of shouting at me? I'm don't want to fight. I think my posts in this thread have been calm and reasonable, and I only ask the same of you.
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Post by kiriu on May 20, 2007 0:44:54 GMT -5
I have a proposition... close that topic before it will turn in World War 3...
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Post by bedziu on May 20, 2007 6:39:08 GMT -5
I have really nothing to Karion! =3 I am angry and sad, bechause I got 10% of the warning unjust from Ken'ichi It is aching really...
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