Movie Mistakes on Brother Bear 2

[Nayla-Naylie]

Does anyone here ever go to this website called MovieMistakes? As the name states, it helps you find errors, trivia and questions about the movies your looking for; and sequels too if there was something you missed out on.

Well I found a lot of them on BB2 when I look it up, and so maybe a lot of you didn't see some of these errors in the sequel if you have the movie on home, so I'll just bring it up for you and share my reactions to it ^^

The ones listed with the numbers will be cover in bold. Just remember, I wasn't the one who wrote them. I just happen to find them when I was visiting the site.

1. PLOT HOLE: The whole point of the first Brother Bear was that Kenai had to go to the mountain to become human. But at the end of this movie, the spirits were about to change Kenai back into a human in the middle of a cliff, which makes the entire first movie completely pointless.

I recently had no idea why I didn't see this coming before years ago when we came across to this scene. These spirits are so lazy! They must of gotten tired staying up in that mountain for so long LOL! XDD

2. REVEALING: Near the end, right before Nita goes after Kenai, she takes off her dress. If you look closely, when she takes it off, her necklace and earrings come off with the dress as if they were a part of the dress. Also, her hair is tied back back when she's wearing the dress. But when she takes it off, her hair is loose and flowing.

Err yeah I think we all notice that *facepalms* Her dress has like magic powers or something

3. CONTINUITY: When Kenai is talking to Nita after she has been turned into a bear, we can see that no one is behind Kenai. When we cut to a wide shot, Koda is standing behind him.

Umm...WHAT?! Are you sure about that internet? XP

4. CONTINUITY: When Kenai and Nita reunite, there are two broken spears pieces on the ground. Halfway through the scene, one of the pieces disappears.

Hmm interesting! I'll have to look back on that.

5. AUDIO PROBLEM: Everybody knows that waterfalls are very loud. However, in the scene at Hakoni Falls, which is completely surrounded by waterfalls, it's silent as a bomb.

Wow! That is...scary X3

6. CONTINUITY: During the raccoon scene, Nita completely disappears in wide shots.

SHE DOES? I don't remember that! ROFL!

7. CONTINUITY: Near the end, Nita tears off her sleeve to use as a bandage for Kenai. At one point, she drops it and it's gone for the rest of the scene.

Yeah what gives? His blood was gone there too!

8. PLOT HOLE: During the Feels like Home montage, we see Nita jumping over the ground using a wooden pole. Where did she get it? There's no room on her person to carry it and it's never mention again.

Her person? What a bad misleading error that is lolz! And who cares if it's doesn't get mention ever again? I don't see how this one of those plot holes in the film XP

9. AUDIO PROBLEM: When the ice cracks apart at Nita's wedding, a woman in the background says "It must be a sigh!", but the movement of her mouth doesn't match the dialogue.

Just which villager are you referring too? There was a lot of women during that scene!

10. PLOT HOLE: Kenai getting bonked on the head with a pinecone at the end could never happen. When Nita walks over to Kenai and Koda, we see that the only trees are to Nita's right. The pinecone then falls on Kenai from ABOVE. They look up and see a tree above them. Cut to wide shot, there are no trees around them.

.....yeah uhh, I can't really comment on this one! I'll just passed

11. CONTINUITY: When Koda scares Nita with the fish, she drops the fish in the water. But later, the fish is back on the shore.

Huh! This must be why Koda believe Nita was afraid of fish. It could go from place to place heheheh!

12. CONTINUITY: When Nita shows the amulet to Kenai, it's oval shaped. But for the rest of the movie, it's circle shaped.

IT WAS??? *checks images for prove* OMG IT WAS! Well I'll be darned. Crazy animators lol!

13. CONTINUITY: In the scene where Nita goes to see the Sha-woman, at one point, the sha-woman drops her horn. In the next shot, the horn is gone.

Hmm I wonder what happened with that. Did Innoko's horn just happened to get up and walk away? Haha!

14: CONTINUITY: At the end, when Kenai and Nita's fiance are fighting on the cliff, the sun is just starting to set. But the instant Kenai falls off the cliff, it's completely dark.

Hey that's not all! It was still light time during Atka's last scene in the movie after Nita show up and push him out of her way!

15. AUDIO PROBLEM: Whenever an animal speaks english in the movie, their mouths are forming the words they say, like a regular human. But when we hear them speaking bear language, their mouths are moving completely differently.

LMAO! How many animals do you know that talk like a bear? XDD

16. CONTINUITY: When we first meet Nita, we see a wide shot of her village. At her wedding, the village is covered in snow even though earlier it was completely dry.

Wait a minute! Are we talking about the same scene when Nita was getting married to Atka before the spirits stop it?

17. CONTINUITY: When Nita's bag washes ashore after falling down the waterfall, it washes up very close to the water. But in the next shot, it was moved father away from the water.

Wow that bag doesn't know when to make up it's own mind now does it? *snickers*

18. REVEALING: When Kenai goes to help Rutt and Tuke with the moosettes, Nita says "Kenai, we don't have time for this." If you look closely, after she says this, she stops moving completely.

PPFT! That's no error. That's just standing still! *giggles*

19. CONTINUITY: Right before Nita transforms into a bear, she looks at Kenai and Koda. In the next shot, they are gone, only to reappear later.

Hmm last time I check, I'm pretty sure they were right there when she was looking at them. Or maybe my memory has gone bad. ^^;

20. OTHER: When Kenai transformed into a bear, his clothes ripped off right out his body. But when Nita transforms, nothing happens to her clothes. In fact, they seem to change with her.

Okay now this? *points to number 20* This I can agree on because that's been bothering me for quite some time now. I think the spirits have different ways of changing human boys and girls into animals. Either that or....maybe they didn't want the audience to see her naked if they ever plan to change her back in which I ever doubt that will ever happened!

Anyway, we are just about to wrapped up. There's one more left and here it is; *points down*

21. CONTINUITY: At the end, we see a wide shot of Kenai and Nita's wedding. A few seconds later, we see Nita walking down the aisle. Given where she was standing, we would've seen her in the wide shot. But we don't see her at all.

Just what is it with all of these wide shots they keep bringing up huh??

Anywho, that's about it for all of those mistakes I could catch up on. I never realize that there was 21 of them. That's a lot!

Also one last thing I probably should bring up is a question I found too. Someone and I'm not really sure who it was (no username was given out) asked out when Koda was the spirits to change Kenai back into a man, but they don't show up until the next day, and why it take so long, so it got an answer (probably from the main person whose running the site I think) and they said that might of been their real reason why they waited up so long so they were looking for the right of moment to turn Kenai back into a human.

[Blaise Zebrataur]

All I can say is...Wow really?

I guess they never even saw the second movie to see mistakes.I mean sure the clothes part is a given it is a G rated movie so they can't show them naked and becoming a bear.

[Epesi]

I've never heard of that particular site, but whoever submitted these "mistakes" did a very poor job of fact-checking, as most of them are not mistakes at all.

1. PLOT HOLE: The whole point of the first Brother Bear was that Kenai had to go to the mountain to become human. But at the end of this movie, the spirits were about to change Kenai back into a human in the middle of a cliff, which makes the entire first movie completely pointless.

Sept 29, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5 Nayla-Naylie said:

These spirits are so lazy! They must of gotten tired staying up in that mountain for so long LOL! XDD

You know the old cliche that it's not the destination that matters, but the journey? In Kenai's case, that was literally true. The spirits could have changed him back into a man anywhere and any time; remember that he was on a completely different mountain when they changed him into a bear in the first place. The real point of going to "the mountain where the lights touch the earth" was to spend time as a bear and learn his lesson.

So there's no plothole here; Nita wouldn't have to go to that same mountain to be transformed.

2. REVEALING: Near the end, right before Nita goes after Kenai, she takes off her dress. If you look closely, when she takes it off, her necklace and earrings come off with the dress as if they were a part of the dress. Also, her hair is tied back back when she's wearing the dress. But when she takes it off, her hair is loose and flowing.

Sept 29, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5 Nayla-Naylie said:

Err yeah I think we all notice that *facepalms*

I'm not sure it's a mistake, but rather a bit of artistic "cheating" for simplicity's sake. It would have been nice if they left her hair up and her earrings on, for continuity, but it would have given the animators yet another character design model to refer to (each costume and hairstyle change needs its own model sheet) and could have led to further errors (hair up in some shots, down in others, etc.). They may have made a conscious decision to transition between character model sheets when she removed her dress.

3. CONTINUITY: When Kenai is talking to Nita after she has been turned into a bear, we can see that no one is behind Kenai. When we cut to a wide shot, Koda is standing behind him.

Eh, sort of. It goes like this:

*In a wide shot, we see that Kenai and Koda are standing a good distance away from the newly transformed Nita. Koda is indeed standing right behind Kenai. At the end of the shot, Kenai begins walking toward Nita.

*There's a brief shot of the lights.

*In the next shot the camera is closer to Nita, so that the other characters are not visible in the frame. Kenai is much closer to her now, as he was still walking when he was offscreen. (I've heard that in filmmaking, there's a general rule that when a character walks from one shot to another, they never walk out of the frame; they walk toward the edge of the frame in the first shot, and away from it in the next shot. Therefore, it's not an error that Kenai has changed places between the two shots.) Koda is no longer directly behind him because Kenai has moved, while Koda has stayed put.

*Later, in the next wide shot, Koda is indeed now standing behind Kenai again, but there's still enough distance between them that he would have been offscreen in the shot directly before. Also, it looks like he's still walking, as if he was approaching them while offscreen.

So it's debatable, but I don't think it's an error.

Sept 29, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5 Nayla-Naylie said:

Umm...WHAT?! Are you sure about that internet? XP

I don't know about them, but I'm pretty sure.

4. CONTINUITY: When Kenai and Nita reunite, there are two broken spears pieces on the ground. Halfway through the scene, one of the pieces disappears.

They're right about this one; both halves of the spear are visible for the first few shots and then one of them disappears. This sort of error is very common.

5. AUDIO PROBLEM: Everybody knows that waterfalls are very loud. However, in the scene at Hakoni Falls, which is completely surrounded by waterfalls, it's silent as a bomb.

Again, this is a case of artistic license. First off, the sound of the waterfalls is still audible throughout the scene, but muffled when they reach the outcropping where they burn the amulet. Yes, realistically the noise of a waterfall would be deafening in that spot, but can you imagine that scene with the roar of a waterfall drowning it out? The characters would have to shout to be heard, which would completely kill the mood and turn an emotional, dramatic scene into a comedy piece.

Also, perhaps I am simply not familiar with the phrase, but silent as a bomb? Explosives are...you know, typically quite loud. Of course, now I'm just nitpicking the nitpickers.

6. CONTINUITY: During the raccoon scene, Nita completely disappears in wide shots.

They weren't very clear about what shots they were referring to, but I scanned the whole scene just now. She was visible in every shot she should have been in. I don't know what they thought they saw, but I found no error here.

7. CONTINUITY: Near the end, Nita tears off her sleeve to use as a bandage for Kenai. At one point, she drops it and it's gone for the rest of the scene.

They are sitting in water, and she appears to set the cloth down beside her right leg (her left side is facing us). For most of the scene, her legs are offscreen. So, to recap, the cloth is off-camera, underwater and behind Nita. Of course we can't see it for the rest of the scene. This is not a mistake.

(Interestingly, in reviewing this scene I at first thought I had found a pretty major error that the website had missed: that the water at the bottom of the ravine had disappeared after Nita's transformation. But on closer inspection, it appears that it's still there, and the bears have just moved out of it and onto dry land by the end of the scene; in other words, the spirits pick Nita up out of the water and place her on dry land, whereas I had assumed they set her back down in the same spot.)

Sept 29, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5 Nayla-Naylie said:

His blood was gone there too!

You'll notice that blood never stays on screen for long in Disney animation, and in fact in most G-rated animation in general. This isn't a mistake either; it's partly to keep the rating down, and partly to keep the animation simple (as you'll notice, other substances, like mud, rarely stay on characters for very long, either).

Anyway, Nita used the cloth to wipe up the blood. Yeah, realistically the injury would still show, but see above.

8. PLOT HOLE: During the Feels like Home montage, we see Nita jumping over the ground using a wooden pole. Where did she get it? There's no room on her person to carry it and it's never mention again.

It can be assumed that she found a large tree branch along the way, but it is rather odd that it's so straight and smooth and perfect. This one is a little bit iffy, but there are a number of possible explanations for it.

Sept 29, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5 Nayla-Naylie said:

Her person? What a bad misleading error that is lolz!

That's not an error on their part; to carry something "on your person" means to carry it on your body somewhere, such as in a pocket on your clothing, in a bag slung over your shoulder, on a belt, etc.

And who cares if it's doesn't get mention ever again? I don't see how this one of those plot holes in the film XP

I agree with you completely on this; it's not a plothole at all.

9. AUDIO PROBLEM: When the ice cracks apart at Nita's wedding, a woman in the background says "It must be a sigh!", but the movement of her mouth doesn't match the dialogue.

Sept 29, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5 Nayla-Naylie said:

Just which villager are you referring too? There was a lot of women during that scene!

They mean the old woman in purple standing behind Nita's father; she's the fourth person from the left side of the screen.

Yep, her mouth movements don't match her line. Finally, another legitimate mistake.

10. PLOT HOLE: Kenai getting bonked on the head with a pinecone at the end could never happen. When Nita walks over to Kenai and Koda, we see that the only trees are to Nita's right. The pinecone then falls on Kenai from ABOVE. They look up and see a tree above them. Cut to wide shot, there are no trees around them.

Well, they're right about the tree, but it's not a plot hole, it's a visual continuity error.

They didn't phrase it very well; "it could never happen" isn't exactly true. The pine cone possibly could have been thrown from a greater distance; now, the flower petals, that part could never happen.

11. CONTINUITY: When Koda scares Nita with the fish, she drops the fish in the water. But later, the fish is back on the shore.

There we go, another honest mistake. That's refreshing. XD

I suppose Koda could have caught a second one while Nita was flailing around, but it was probably meant to be the same fish, so it's a mistake.

12. CONTINUITY: When Nita shows the amulet to Kenai, it's oval shaped. But for the rest of the movie, it's circle shaped.

This. Is not. A mistake.

It looks like an oval in that one shot because we're seeing it from an angle, not straight-on. That's called perspective; try holding up a coin and then turn it a little bit sideways. It, too, will appear oval-shaped from that view.

13. CONTINUITY: In the scene where Nita goes to see the Sha-woman, at one point, the sha-woman drops her horn. In the next shot, the horn is gone.

She tosses it off-screen; we never see where it lands, unlike the broken spear mentioned above, which was clearly lying on the ground in one shot and then gone in another. If you can call it a mistake at all, it's a very minor one.

14: CONTINUITY: At the end, when Kenai and Nita's fiance are fighting on the cliff, the sun is just starting to set. But the instant Kenai falls off the cliff, it's completely dark.

The change is somewhat abrupt, but not at all the way this makes it sound. It doesn't turn to night the instant Kenai falls. If you look at the walls of the ravine when Nita makes it to the bottom to join him, you can see that sunlight is still coming down there. The abrupt shift to night time comes in the next shot, when Koda comes to join them; this time the stars are visible.

So yes, the sun sets rather quickly all of a sudden, but at least it was clearly shown that it was setting to begin with! There have been far worse continuity errors in other movies, like the inconsistent seasons in Beauty and the Beast.

15. AUDIO PROBLEM: Whenever an animal speaks english in the movie, their mouths are forming the words they say, like a regular human. But when we hear them speaking bear language, their mouths are moving completely differently.

Gosh, really? I have no idea how that could have happened!

Sarcasm aside, come on. Come. On. This is no mistake! Kenai and Koda were never literally speaking English. For that matter, nobody in either of these movies speaks English. The English language didn't even exist yet in the era these movies take place in. No language currently spoken today did!

Whenever the characters speak and their mouths are animated to match English words, it's for our convenience, because the movie is in English and it would look very, very odd if the characters didn't look like they were saying the words they were saying! For example, look at the error listed above, with the woman in purple. Watch her mouth as she says "It must be a sign!" -- it looks weird.

Can you imagine how ridiculous it would look if the animals were animated the same way throughout the whole movie, whether speaking or not? Could you pay attention to anything they said if they were moving their mouths the way they did when Nita couldn't understand them? I think I'd be laughing too hard. It would be no better if they still looked like they were speaking English when the spell was broken; it would seem like somebody dubbed over their lines with bear noises as a joke.

I just...I can't believe that somebody, somewhere, thought this was a mistake and submitted it to that site. I don't know what to say to that.

16. CONTINUITY: When we first meet Nita, we see a wide shot of her village. At her wedding, the village is covered in snow even though earlier it was completely dry.

Rather like the day-to-night scene above, this one has some truth to it, but it's a bit exaggerated. The ground wasn't shown to be completely dry; there were many patches of snow on the ground. There did suddenly appear to be more of it in the shots of the wedding itself, but it's possible that it was hidden from view in the first shot by the trees in the foreground; the pillars topped with moose antlers weren't visible in that shot, either.

Sept 29, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5 Nayla-Naylie said:

Wait a minute! Are we talking about the same scene when Nita was getting married to Atka before the spirits stop it?

Yes.

17. CONTINUITY: When Nita's bag washes ashore after falling down the waterfall, it washes up very close to the water. But in the next shot, it was moved father away from the water.

This is true. I was going to suggest that Bering moved it, but I watched the scene and he didn't; it was still by the water's edge when he ran off.

18. REVEALING: When Kenai goes to help Rutt and Tuke with the moosettes, Nita says "Kenai, we don't have time for this." If you look closely, after she says this, she stops moving completely.

Sept 29, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5 Nayla-Naylie said:

PPFT! That's no error. That's just standing still! *giggles*

Even when characters are still, they usually have some kind of motion going on to make them appear alive. In this case, Nita literally stops moving, freezing on one single frame until the end of the shot. At first I thought whoever posted this was mistaken again, as it doesn't happen right after she says, "We don't have time for this!" but rather as Koda is saying "This falls under 'you can't tell Kenai nothin''."

It's not very noticeable, as most viewers would be looking at Koda at that moment.

19. CONTINUITY: Right before Nita transforms into a bear, she looks at Kenai and Koda. In the next shot, they are gone, only to reappear later.

Sept 29, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5 Nayla-Naylie said:

Hmm last time I check, I'm pretty sure they were right there when she was looking at them. Or maybe my memory has gone bad. ^^;

They were there when she was looking at them, but in the next shot they're not. They had moved aside from the pillar of light a moment earlier, but they should still have been visible from that view. This mistake is genuine.

20. OTHER: When Kenai transformed into a bear, his clothes ripped off right out his body. But when Nita transforms, nothing happens to her clothes. In fact, they seem to change with her.

I hadn't thought about that one. It may be an error, but it could potentially have been a conscious decision. If it was conscious, though, I don't think it was to avoid nudity; if it had been animated the same way as Kenai's transformation, she would have been a bear before you could see anything private anyway.

No, if it was a conscious decision, I think it was simply to make her transformation seem more elegant, less traumatic, to illustrate the differences between their circumstances: Kenai's first transformation was against his will and thus a terrifying experience for him, while Nita's transformation was her own choice. Ripping her clothes would make her transformation seem a touch too rough and would slightly change the tone of the scene.

21. CONTINUITY: At the end, we see a wide shot of Kenai and Nita's wedding. A few seconds later, we see Nita walking down the aisle. Given where she was standing, we would've seen her in the wide shot. But we don't see her at all.

Come on, it's a wedding; you're not supposed to see the bride until she walks down the aisle.

Sept 29, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5 Nayla-Naylie said:

Also one last thing I probably should bring up is a question I found too. Someone and I'm not really sure who it was (no username was given out) asked out when Koda was the spirits to change Kenai back into a man, but they don't show up until the next day, and why it take so long, so it got an answer (probably from the main person whose running the site I think) and they said that might of been their real reason why they waited up so long so they were looking for the right of moment to turn Kenai back into a human.

Personally, I don't think the spirits were actually doing it because Koda asked them to, but because Kenai and Nita had realized their feelings at that point.

Sept 29, 2011 2:24:38 GMT -5 Blaise Zebrataur said:

All I can say is...Wow really?

I guess they never even saw the second movie to see mistakes.

This is both disrespectful toward the filmmakers and shows ignorance of the creative process. Of course "they" saw the film; they saw it many, many times as they were making it. As any artist can tell you, when you're working on a piece and staring at it for hours on end, you simply become so used to seeing it, mistakes and all, that it becomes more and more difficult to recognize errors; they look like they're supposed to be there. Later on, when your work is complete and you've had a nice long break from it, you can finally see it from an outsider's perspective, and your mistakes become much more apparent. (This is why a common and useful piece of advice for artists is to look at a drawing or painting in the mirror, making it look more foreign to you and helping you to spot your errors and correct them early on.)

Every movie, even the most beloved and critically acclaimed, is riddled with mistakes. It's simply unavoidable; making a movie is a long, complicated process, involving many different people, and nobody's perfect. I've seen better movies than this one with worse mistakes in them, so really, I'd say the makers of Brother Bear 2 did a pretty good job of avoiding errors.

[Ken'ichi]

Wow wow wow, many of those points weren't even mistakes to begin with, just the viewer(s) missing the point and/or not paying any attention at all.

Epesi did a fantastic job dissecting and debunking these though. Kind of ironic a site named Movie Mistakes pulled a bunch of them on one movie alone.

And Oreius, I agree with Epesi. I'm sure the filmmakers watched the movie many times and went over tirelessly through every sketch and scene to make sure there weren't mistakes. But like Epesi said, spend so much time working on something and your eyes will start to trick you by making it harder to spot the mistakes.

[Truttle]

That's some neat bit of information! Nice find Nadine! ;D